Another Pro-Censorship Moron spews Nonsense About Violent Games.... UGH....

So I thought this Moral Panic on violent entertainment causing Sandy Hook was done. Apparently not... Lo and Behold, Senator Grassley, a Repooplican from Iowa starts ranting on how the Gaming Industry's Voluntary Rating system isn't good enough, how it "lets these violent games get to kids". What violent  games are these, "ones that glorify killing of innocent people". Sure... I quote:

"There are too many video games that celebrate the mass killing of innocent people — games that despite attempts at industry self-regulation find their way into the hands of children," 



Talk about a moronic claim.... Number 1, the "attempts at industry self-regulation" (like they are a complete failure, despite the FTC study that says that the ESRB ratings are better than the MPAA ones, enforcement wise), have nothing to do with why these "violent games that glorify the mass killing of innocents" fall into the hands of children. Number 1, the Industry itself isn't to blame if the Stores refuse to card the people buying the games, or the 2/3's of parents who refuse to read the ESRB ratings in the first place, right? Apparently to this moron, the parents aren't to blame and somehow the industry made the parents not read the ratings or the stores are being all run by the industry and purposely start selling GTA games to kids.... This whole claim is bunk, and he knows NOTHING about violent games, the industry or the "attempts at industry self-regulation". He just blindly believes all the nonsense being spread that violent games are marketed to kids because "oh noes, the kids can buy games..." BLAH BLAH BLAH

To make things worse his claim of how their are too many games that "celebrate the mass killing of innocent people" is a bogus claim too. I regularly debunk crap like this. It's just a blanket statement, used to demean the industry based on shitty games, ones that do allow the "mass killing of innocent people", which are few and far between. Using a list of all released FPS games on wikipedia, I calculated that the sheer lack of "uber violent games" is astounding, despite what scaremongering is being said by people like Grassley.

This list spans all the way back to the 1970's with Sega titles such as "Jet Rocket", long before the dawn of PC gaming, so it does count everything.... No picking and choosing, no editing of the total data to show a point, pure unadulterated Facts.... Something anti-gamers almost never provide, it's almost always rhetoric, false data, or misinterpretation.

When You look at the spreadsheet, look at the column "gms kill inno". This is how many games out of 650 allow you to kill "innocent civilians", where innocent civilians are defined as characters who can't fight back. I have 2 rows, one with all 650 games in the FPS category, and another with all FPS games + Postal + all GTA games.  That one is the second row, the lower one with 658 total games. The top row with 650 games is just FPS games. "gms rwd inno" is how many games that reward killing of innocent people.  "gms nrwd ino" are games that punish killing innocent civilian characters. Look at the % with and without GTA and Postal applied, tiny %, less than 10 in each case...  There have only been 19 FPS games EVER released that allow the killing of innocent characters. Only 4 of these reward it. Tiny numbers when you factor in the 650 total FPS games ever made. 8 Punish the killing of innocents.  IF you count in GTA  games and Postal 1 you get 27 total games in this list that allow the player to kill innocent characters, and only 8 reward it. 15 Punish the killing of innocents!!! You see a pattern, equal amount of FPS games punish the killing of innocents, and in the case when you add in GTA, more punish than reward. Apparently Grassley can't stand the fact that there are 8 games since 1970(!) (when the list started) that reward killing innocents. But he mentioned mass slaughter of innocents!!!




Grassley's complaint about "too many games that celebrate the mass killing of the innocent" is a nonsense claim. Because this suggests that there are games where you are rewarded for mowing down big rooms of innocent civilians in such a game. Here's the thing. No ESRB Game like this Exists! In any game with civilians, that reward it, it's never been huge numbers killed at once. People might say "GTA!" but GTA, despite the nonsense claim about it, does NOT reward  the killing of innocent civilians. It punishes it. You get the police after you for doing stuff like this, get arrested, etc... That's punishment, not rewarding. The last game to reward mass killing of innocents, the only one was before the ESRB, so the esrb has nothing to do with it, that was Carmageddon! In 1997! The only game I know where it :"rewards" the mass killing of innocents..... Under the ESRB, the "voluntary rating system" there have been 0 games that "glorify the mass killing of innocents!!!". NONE! Zip! Zero!! Zilch!!! Grassley is a liar... Surprise!!


So Grassley is making up crap, just like a lot of morons who attack games do. It's stupid. It has to stop. He is also hinting at regulation of the industry by the government and using biased claims and utter lies to support it??? I thought this country was beyond it. IF they do decide to regulate the games like this, what's to stop them from setting up a system where they purposely rate any game that is only slightly violent or above, to their equivalent of Adult Only, so the stores won't sell them.. Hmmm... Because thats what I think people like this want, just to get rid of all the violent games so no one can buy them, no adults can too, no gaming companies can sell them so the industry just goes out of business. These people shouldn't be in office if they use nonsense like this to fuel censorship, and make no difference it is. The gaming industry does not need to be regulated!! Just the Congress!!! Seriously...

Gamers are Violent Sickos? DPO Pro-Censorship Trolls are violent sickos too!!!!

Incidentally, the Denverpost article I mentioned in my last post, wasn't something I first read when I found it. It was the first article I read in the group way back in 1999.  This was way before I became a Pro-Debunking-Nonsense Blogger and was a member of the Doom Community on Doom Central the big doom fan site then.  I was hearing every single claim every news paper was making about Doom after the School shooting and how bogus a lot were, like Doom had "Pipebombs" (Harris made several), Doom "allowed people to kill kids", and how Harris and klebold were playing "Doom in God Mode" when they committed the Massacre in 99.   I then read the Denverpost article and got immediately disgusted because I knew how false the other articles were, I was convinced this was false too, I couldn't prove it though..

So I signed up to their "your voice" forum and made a big complaint on the columbine massacre section saying basically "Doom is being scapegoated by the media, and I can't stand it, they are making utter BS to demonize it, nor can I stand how  people in schools are being put in detention for merely Playing Doom, It did not cause Columbine!". However what would transpire next, would reveal to me how idiotic the populace of this small forum in Colorado were. It became apparent that these people on the forum Blindly beleived that Doom caused Columbine. I was insulted and attacked by an Anonymous Internet troll for 3 months along with 5-6 other gamers all trying to defend the game on the forum.  This troll worked by a very specific and obnoxious formula. He would single out posts he didn't like and quoted them sentence by sentence replying to each quoted sentence with insults, death threats, constant curses and sexual innuendo, and worse... This kept on happening for hours each day from may to august 1999.  The person threatened to "Crack my Skull Open" for merely Stating that "kids being killed should not lead to the rights of adults to buy and play violent games". This was a rude response to the quote said by the troll "All of you value your video games over the lives of the victims". But since the troll called us "Gamer Shitheads" this response of mine was necessary, because this person was insulting any gamers right and left on the forum. And when he called all of us "Gamer Shitheads" he personally insulted me too.  The troll also told me to:

"Crawl up your mothers fly infested Cunt",  "your mother should have aborted you with a coat hangar!!!" and much worse... The moderator of the forum did nothing. Didn't even care. Fucking asshole! The only post that was deleted was the trolls last one, which I will get into later. The fact I was being insulted, threatened, meant nothing to these fucking idiots on the forum and the newspaper. They didn't care. To them we were all like Eric Harris or worse...

By this point the death threats and worse made me want to get revenge. And that's what I did. I got the Doom Community I was in to fight for me on their forum. We were gonna make that forum go insane for 3 months.  I got my best friend from High School, a guy I will only call "Hitman213". to sign up to fight as well. He came first and said that video games do not cause real violence, and something similar. Soon the troll demanded he change to his real name because the name "Hitman213" offended the memories of the victims. So he went back to his real name and mercilessly fought this troll but it took 3 months to get this fucking moron to shut up.  Soon a whole bunch of idiotic posters from the forum kept attacking us for "not saying our respects". To them merely defending Doom was saying "Rachel Scott deserved to Die!" or something equally heinous.  When A Guy named Gokuma from the Doom Central or Doom Nation Forums immediately followed Hitman213 in claiming "Video games don't cause violence, it's BS". But the Troll immediately said "WTF! You're all the same person with different accounts! You are the same person as Hitman213!!" It's like this person believed there were no gamers outside Hitman213 and me and we were all signing up with different accounts  to defend doom. It was hilarious then and in a way it still is, but the person was clearly a complete paranoid wackjob..  

They were literally zealots who believed everything they heard at face value, including the "Hack Psychologists Claims". The troll cited these claims. Then one of the Doom Forum guys "Gokuma" stated that psychologists are Charlatans and that Psychiatrists are a lot more credible.  This did not debunk the claim though so the troll said "That's nonsense you Gamer Shitheads are trying to pan to defend your game!!!" 

Right around then another Doom Forum Guy formed a new Account "Dr. Mingels", and said "Video Games actually have positive effects on kids". Immediately people made fun of him and called him "Dr. Mengelle" (Like in the Nazi War Criminal Sicko Butcherer). These people were likening Gamers to Fucking Nazi butchers? WTF! The Whole forum laughed at this. Seriously...

We had a total of 6 guys on the forum, who weren't assholes, Me (who had backed out due to emotional damage, not kidding), Hitman213, Gokuma, the guy that posted as "Dr. Mingels" who kept on trying to reason, uselessly with the idiots,  Lets just call him Dan. With us we had a video gamer from the Forum "Mostly Harmless", and another guy in the Doom Community. Versus us were the troll, his actress friend, and some other posters. One was always there but was on the First Troll's side and actually "filled in for him" when he was gone. One showed up later complaining on how all gamers on the forum were idiots and we spent "all day twittling with our joysticks", insulting us more. The thing kept on going on. At One Point the Troll said "all the violence in the articles on DPO (showing off the massacre) is proof violent games were involved".  The troll then said "you all made fun of the columbine shooting victims", blah blah blah, for defending doom.  Then the final post by the troll went up "I have enough evidence to prove gamers get violent", or something quite "lawyerly" like that.  Around then my friend is like "we need to know who this idiot is!" and started telling me about reverse email lookups. We decided to try a few. None told us any personal info. The troll then eventually shut up and disappeared, 6 months after it began.  

But that last post was deleted no more than 5 minutes after it was posted. I found that very suspicious. It sounded like the person was a lawyer gathering evidence against gamers. The troll did  have a lawyers email address, justicemail.com, "email for the law community". Some lawyer looking for clients did post on the forum. Forget his name. Could they be the same person? I don't know.  For years I tried 100's of different reverse email lookups. None of the returned any results. In 2006 however, I found a similar poster on Gamepolitics.com, a moronic anti-video games activist attacking gamers, calling them "druggies". This person was more like the person who said "All gamers twittle with their joysticks all long" then the initial "lawyer" troll on the forum back in 1999. But this whole experience of the idiocy surrounding the school Massacre on the Forums and in Colorado is what inspired me to write blog posts debunking nonsense spread about violent games. The troll cited 2 nonsense claims, the "video games break down the inhibition to kill" one and the "Doom Will become Reality" one. I debunked both on my Debunking Other Nonsense blog, which debunked many many claims since 2011 almost on a daily basis.  The whole stereotype of "Gamers" being violent psychos pisses me off, and so do all the bogus "Death Threat" claims anti-violent games activists keep saying (how gamers keep threatening their lives), because pro-video game violence trolls do the same thing. The nonsense this troll was saying, threatening to kill me, crack my skull open, threatening to "kick gokuma's ass" and more is proof. I really don't like looking back at this. We were ALL assholes on this forum. I'm not really proud of it.  The kind of people who were attacking Games in colorado were like this, apparently. These people refused to believe anything but the "trustworthy" sources that made up crap. We were all being insulted for merely being Video Game players, by almost everyone on the forum for months on end. Being Compared to Nazi Butcherer? It doesn't get any lower than that.

Bogus Modified Doom caused Doom Moral Panic in Colorado.

A long time ago a time magazine article about columbine claimed a modified version of doom was found on Eric Harris's Aol Site, with several dubious features, all which have been debunked by me. The features include a "second shooter", "infinite ammo and extra weapons for both shooters" and the ability for the shooter who ran out of ammo first, to be killed upon this happening. I debunked these claims many, many times, because frankly, I am disgusted by news articles making up bogus crap to cause moral panics like this.  But I will again...  

The "second shooter" would require friendly AI, and in 1999 only one sourceport could even do this, MBF (Marine's best friend). But here is the issue, the ability to make any enemy in a modified dehacked patch (what Harris would need to do for this to work) requires documentation that didn't come out till 2000. Now to debunk the "infinite ammo and extra weapons for both shooters".  Number 1, infinite ammo is possible, but the extra weapons for both shooters is a complete nonsense claim. In 1999 adding new weapons without replacing existing ones was not possible, period. Dehacked was the only way to mod back then and it simply wouldn't allow you to do this because it was a simple EXE editor to change simple variables. The extra weapons for the second shooter, is the second worst claim in this article, it requires the ability to script an entity to do this, to create a completely new enemy that has the ability to use all weapons the player does, plus the impossible "Extra" weapons, this would require Zdoom, which didn't have the decorate language built into it necessary to do this till the mid 2000's.

Now you get the most impossible feature of them all, the ability for the "shooter who ran out ammo first" to die. This is frankly, not even doable without both Hexen format levels that allow you to "tag" any entity to keep track of it so the next part the scripting language to kill them apon running out ammo (also scripted), and the scripted language itself (ACS). This wasn't even possible till 2001 or later. The article is a bunch of bogus nonsense claims and inflammatory claims such as "They were playing their game in God Mode" and similar. But none of this stopped the writers to spread this nonsense to new articles featuring even more fake claims!!!! The Real stupid thing is that this claim of running out of ammo kills you is IMPOSSIBLE with the "unlimited" mentioned before in the same article!!! This writer got away with this nonsense and almost no one complained? WTF!

Lo and behold, an article by the Rocky Mountain News, mentioned how the same hate site tracking group that supposedly found this impossible to make in 1999 version of doom. But they only mentioned the infinite ammo, extra weapons, and second shooter claim, not the shooter who runs out of ammo dying first. They added their own dubious claim, Begging students that cried a phrase "`Lord, why is this happening to me?''.   This  article would be eventually mirrored on super columbine Massacre RPG's Site (a sick RPG based on the School Shooting) but eventually was deleted...  But here comes the weird thing. APA (The American Psychological Association started citing the false articles (one of them) in a paper proving "video game aggression" (misquoted as proving video games cause real life violence by many "Experts" on Talk shows or news station reports from 1997 to 2006).  This made it's way to an essay about the "effects" of violent video games and this is how I traced everything in reverse from the essay, to the APA paper, to the Rocky mountain news, and back to the Times article that made it up, and without me finding the Times and Rocky Mountain News Article I would never be able to debunk this... 

Later on A Denverpost Article mentioned the begging students that cried the phrase but the phrase was now "shouted" and changed to "" 'My Lord, why did you do this to me?' ".  So which is it? This or the older quote. Neither. It's fudged, made up, fabricated because they couldn't even get  the way it was said or the quote right! The Denverpost article also fails to even mention any of the modified doom features besides this so no one would know it's fake, and mentions that Harris made a Columbine High School Doom level, a known hoax, debunked by Snopes, and supposedly "proven" not to be a hoax by a pro-columbine-conspiracy journalist with no sense of the truth, quoting a report from a student saying Harris Did make the level, but the report in question he mentions most likely was based on the fake news article from the Conneticut Journalist who said the same exact same thing, "A Student friend of Harris said he made the School in Doom" but later own admitted he made the whole claim up. Lovely example of spinning the truth by idiots in Colorado, Isn't it?

But it's more than that... The 2 articles for Colorado Newspapers (the Denver Post and Rocky Mountain News ones) are the only ones to mention the very Dubious "begging students" claims that can't even get the quote screamed by these begging students right, or how the quote was even said... Right after Columbine you got a ridiculously paranoid witch hunt for Video games and their players that was worst in Colorado. People started fanatically believing that violent games and Doom Caused the Massacre, and that there was no other factor, whatsoever. It was a 20'th century Witch Mob! They also thought that  players of such games were sicko sociopaths with no heart, like Eric Harris. This was happening all over Colorado and it lead to ban violent games legislation, and lawsuits. But what triggered it? I have a theory, these articles, indirectly or intentionally triggered it using the people' preconceptions of violent games as a base.

The "hack Psychologists" who went on talk shows during the 1997 school shooting in Paducah came back in force in 1999 with claims of nonsense, such as how the Military uses games like this to break down the Inhibition to killl, even though a blogger from the Military disproved this here. But the claims that violent games desensitize people to real life violence were starting to be believed and these hack psychologists kept repeating this and the break down the inhibition to kill quote ad-nauseum.  One even wrote a completely fabricated book claiming it was true and hires internet trolls to cite this book in comments attacking violent games in articles in newspaper sites attacking violent games. So what would a person who refuses to question anything they hear and believes it all, and has no gaming and doom modding experience think when they read the denverpost article?, they would assume Harris could easily, in 5 seconds, with a menu in the game, make the supposed mod, and this leads them to believe that "Doom Caused Columbine". Why? They already believe that violent games make kids desensitized to real violence, which is just another way of saying that the kids playing such games, who before they played the games could tell the difference between reality and fantasy, loose that ability after obsessively playing them. Now combine that with the belief from the article that Harris was able with a click of a button turn doom into a school shooting sim, and you get people who think that this modified version of doom is responsible. Now comes the people wanting to sue id for allowing the game to be easily modified through a menu to make it a school shooting simulator. More backlash happens. Then you get paranoid people who are still trying to mourn the victims of the massacre, and not thinking straight as a result, assume that Doom had the school shooting simulator somewhere in it and it would have to if only "one click of a button" was needed to mod it like that. So in that case "doom" made harris want to kill the kids now, technically. Some people don't understand games at all, and don't even know what a Mod is, and they assume the original game is also a school shooting simulator. No where in any of these articles is it even made clear that the modded version required a lot of work with "third party" software and ID has nothing to do with this at all. That didn't help any... None of the people are non-gamers who read that article understand how doom. They just assume it's a violent game and they "assume" Doom is a school shooting Simulator. This lead to the BS claim "Doom Caused Columbine" after millions read and misinterpreted this article.

Gamers! Mail your Rep's about the video game nonsense. They are trying to regulate them again...

Checking Gamepolitics today I learned the truth about Obama's Violent game's conference between the ECA and the Senators, hosted by Joe Biden. According to the ECA, the whole thing didn't go down well and the senators still blindly believe "Video games cause violence". I quote:

"Senators are convinced that there’s a connection between video games and violence. One has even said that a proposed study is simply “laying the groundwork for new regulations on video games.” We know that’s not true - so write to them today.

Yes, even when presented with the facts that violent crimes have decreased since 1980, while video game sales have increased, and that other nations that consume more video games than the United States don’t see the same level of violence, those we talked to pressed forward with the need to legislate video games and waste money to find a connection between games and violence we know doesn’t exist. These Senators believe that playing games leads to real world violence. They have even gone so far to say in private discussions they disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision that video games are free speech.

We’re not going to take these insults and lies. Video games don’t lead to violence and are protected free speech. That’s reality. We need gamers to speak up and tell Congress this.Write to your elected officials and then spread this action everywhere you can.

This year is going to be a rough one. No matter how many facts we present, folks seem to want to stick to their fantasy that we gamers are time bombs waiting to go off. It’s insulting to me, it’s insulting to you, it’s insulting to us and just not true. Take action now.

Keep on gaming,"

 This is, Frankly Disgusting... Number 1) None of these senators even care that people don't want video games regulated,  As gamers we have to stop this mess NOW. We can do it. We need to mail our Rep's and Our Senators, but their message refuses to show the real issues, the media fabrications, the nonsense, the real reason behind school shootings.  The Representatives will assume the default message is  just Industry Rhetoric. Why would they listen to it? You must send them a much more detailed message like the one I have put below. One that shows the scapegoating by the media and how violent games have nothing to do with real crime. This is really important.  My message is a lot longer than theirs but covers a lot of stuff that very few people know about but is all true and people simply are not talking about it. If people want to use this message, go ahead. Edit it and choose the parts you agree or disagree with if you want, but make sure to tell them that A) Violent media studies never have proven violent crime is a result, and that B) Special interest groups in the CDC Study will try to hijack it with hoaxes, for extremist groups did that before at the Supreme Court, quoting the "Doom will Become Reality Hoax", which was actually not on Harris's real site but a fake site made after Columbine.
This is really important. This could be like the columbine moral panic on "Doom" times 5 if you don't act... Seriously.










Title : "Regulating Violent games solves nothing!"


"As your Constituent, I would like you to know that I am not happy about all the scapegoating happening surrounding violent games by the Government, and if you don't know this already, the scapegoating has been going on for over 10 years (since Paducah!), and it continues without anything to legally stop it.

Most comes from the media who are fueled by right wing extremist groups who are pro censorship such as the The Eagle Forum, the Parents Television Councel and others. For years they have been sending people on to talk shows especially right after school shootings, to make up utter lies about violent games such as the "fact" violent games make kids violent, the "fact" violent games break down the inhibition to kill, and the "fact" that violent games are military training tools. None of these are true.


The truth is that, video games don't make anyone violent, no study has ever been done even linking video games to violence, the aggression studies have been misquoted by people with anti-video game agendas on talk shows as proof they cause violence, without proving which studies they are talking about. One was a guy who was trying to sell a book. The other guy is a Defense Attorney for Murderers who gets them all to say "Video games made me do it" and is trying to get people to believe it, so he can win as much cases as possible. In fact no study has ever linked video games to Violence at all. Why do we need a study to link them now?

The Link between Adam Lanza and the Video game "Call of Duty" was based on 1 UK Tabloid basically saying "This kid lived in the basement (a video gamer stereotype), and had a computer. He had posters of lots of tanks and old fashioned Military Weapons. Since Call of Duty Players can name a lot of old fashioned weapons, he must be a Call of Duty Fan!".  This all came from a "plumber" who visited the house. This article doesn't prove he played call of duty, but then 25 newspapers all Quoted this plumbers words as proof he was obsessed with Call of Duty and some even said Call of Duty made him commit the Massacre. See the nonsense the Media Spreads? Millions of people now believe, that Call of Duty caused Sandy Hook. But it's not true.

The same thing Happened after Columbine. Some unknown party made a fake Eric Harris Aol Site with a page that said "The fires will go off in the 21'st, Eric harris Hates you all, Doom will become reality!".  This spread around to people and then the media quoted the "Doom will Become Reality" part and immediately everyone thought Doom Triggered the Massacre. Only Problem is that Harris never wrote these words, the site was made on April 21'st. It was proven by he FBI. But no one listened. One News article verifying that it was a fake Aol Site was taken down to cover it up by someone.... The media makes up bogus claims right and left about violent games. FOX News hired a fake hack psychologist to say "Bulletstorm causes rape because Rape is a violent crime, and since Bulletstorm is a violent game, it has caused rape!". Millions Believed this.  A preacher recently said at a public function of some sort, that "Pornography releases Endorphins, it's like a cocaine High, the more you view pornography the more you need that high, till Heterosexual Porn doesn't satisfy you anymore, you then jump to Homosexual Porn, then to Bestiality or then to Pedophilia. Look at all the Rapists and Child Molesters who said they were addicted to Porn. These Violent Video games are the same way". He basically said it in a way to make some people think Violent games lead to child molestation.   In the Columbine case, the Hoaxed page was used as evidence in the Supreme court case EMA Vs Brown. It was submitted by a Right wing pro-family Group who is anti-violent games. I fear some similar group will use this or other bogus claims (imagine if they use the Child Molestation one.....), in the upcoming CDC study as evidence... This must not happen. It's not true and things like this could lead to Regulation when no evidence of a problem exists...



  Legislating violent games will not cause Tragic School Shootings to stop. Doom didn't have anything to even do with Columbine. The CHS Massacre was a revenge crime against the police in Colorado, and according to a freedom of information act request for documents the FBI was keeping secret,
Eric Harris was Raped by the Police in an arrest in 1998. This triggered the revenge crime, Not Doom.

We still don't know why Adam Lanza killed 26 people. Why jump to conclusions till a real investigation gets done?

Thank you for your time and consideration."

Whitehouse.gov petition on media violence... Make sure to sign!!!

There has been a whitehouse.gov "we the people" petition petitioning the Obama Admin to admit Violent games do not cause violent crimes. It's really important that people who are against this media violence scapegoating bs (gamers,etc) sign this... The petition against SOPA caused the government to get involved to block it. We also need to be vigilant here.... I would suggest all gamers and people who are against bans of violent games and the endless nonsense BS scapegoating, media lies and crappy legislation against video games like the above mentioned video game tax, to sign this.... I can't state the importance of this any more... The petition is linked here...

Surveys about violent games not to be trusted (old post)

(this is an old post from my wordpress blog that got deleted there by accident a long time ago, after it was published in 2011 or 2010. I thought it was important that I republish it here)

So the anti-gamers are at it again.... A new 'phone survey' says that 67% of adults surveyed want violent games restricted to adults. No suprise there... But the real issue, is that the survey also says that 39% of adults surveyed think that violent game makers should be held liable when "it can be proven that a violent game causes a real life crime to happen".

You might think this is some honest survey, but trust me it is not .Here is the wording of the study, according to the gamepolitics article I got it from (look in the comments):

"For those wondering, here is the wording and order of the questions in their survey:

1* How concerned are you about the level of violence in many video games today?

2* Do violent video games lead to more violence in our society?

3* Should states be allowed to prohibit the sale or rental of violent video games to minors?

4* Who is more responsible for limiting the amount of sex and violence children are exposed to in video games – video game makers, the government or parents?

5* Should the makers of violent video games be held liable in court if it can be shown that their games led to someone committing a violent act?"

Question 1, makes the viewers think about the violent games link to violence, and question 2, makes them think about their opinions on whether violent games cause real-life violence, biasing their answers after that.  Question 4 then uses that bias to incite a yes response! This is especially troubling, because what it does is that it makes certain people want to sue, or advocate lawsuits against, violent game makers. If question 1 and 2 were never asked, the chance is greater that question 4 would have had less people who say "yes, sue the assholes marketing violent trash to my 2 year old!"



This is another sly tactic to win viewers over, to make them believe the nonsense that violent games make kids violent, when the only people who said that were biased talk show guests misrepresenting studies that were biased in themselves, that seemed to prove violent games make kids more aggressive. It's mind control, plain and simple... In a sense...


Take the amount of people who thought violent games should be outright banned or sued (11% of 44 comments, 38% of all comments wanting legal action performed (banning, suing, restricting to adults) to all age groups on my study of comments (here), and you see more people want game makers sued than ever before. It seems it's a new fad, "sue ID software,etc" after a school shooting. More people are believing these lies spread around, even in an Amicus Brief for SCOTUS (whose lies were debunked here), and it's scary..

Another issue I would  like to bring up, is that the sample size of the survey is a mere 1000 people (probably 1000 people who are in right wing conservative communities that believe the nonsense about violent games that the above amicus brief used to try to sway the SCOTUS decision), out of 300 million. That is 3% of the population of america surveyed, less than a population of one state! In fact that 1000 people surveyed, although it seems big to people who don't look at this stuff, is a mere 1/200000 of the population of one state of the US on average... It's tiny. According to true knowledge, the population of Boston, MA was found to be 618,231 in 2011. That's 618 times as much as the survey sample size. So basically the sample size they used skipped 97% of the population! It's just to small! I'm not saying the survey would have to encompass an entire state or the entire US, but 1000 people, is way to small. I think they chose 1000 poeple who were anti violent games being sold..... Just my opinion. They never asked "Do you think violent games should be banned to all age groups?", to anyone, but since so many people wanted violent game makers sued out of the sample size, it makes me think that they wanted them banned too. Usually people who want lawsuits would also not want games they think cause violence, sold to anyone... No matter how old.  Just My opinion...

So basically they are saying the 390 or so people want violent game makers sued out of 1000. That 390 is 39% of 1000, but on the scale of all the people living in an area the same population as Boston in 2011, that's only 0.6% of the population of that area! In contrast, the 67% of the 1000 who wanted violent games restricted to adults (roughly 670 out of 1000) is 1% of that area with the same population of Boston in 2011. That's bigger than the 0.6% but is still tiny..... These survey's don't mean much when 1% of the population of a boston populated area want violent games restricted to adults. There are probably more people in that area who think President Obama should be Impeached.



Speaking of surveys.... I am planning an experiment to see how far the anti-gamers will go. Stay tuned...